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- Subject: Forth FAQ: Programmable BBS Information. (l/m 05.Jun.93)
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- Date: 23 Jun 93 11:11:13 GMT
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- Last-modified: 05.Jun.93
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- [This is a message that I thought deserved to be preserved.
- I invite Mr. Peters or other principles to provide updates to
- replace this message.
- -dwp]
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- Message-Id: <m0o1sNf-0002bCC@wet.uucp>
- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 00:09 PDT
- From: pitt!netcom.com!wet!jpeters (John A. Peters)
- Subject: Prog BBS update as requested
-
- Mod date is: May 23, 1993
-
- PROGRAMMABLE BBS: PURPOSE
-
-
- 1) To create, modify, and support an electronic media based Forth
- resource where "iterative improvements" to both the program and
- the data are the primary purpose. This Forth resource will be
- modifiable and reprogrammable by FIG members and other callers,
- in response to each callers personally perceived needs for easy,
- efficient, active, pleasant, entertaining, educational, business
- and recreational access to information, especially information
- concerning the Programming Language Forth.
-
- 2) To empower and challenge programmers by offering to down load
- the actual source files for the program that is in use when the
- BBS is called.
-
- 3) To collect a database of forth words. Each record entry shall
- contain data supplied either by the author or those who use the
- forth word. The interface shall be modified, improved and
- simplified in such a way that anyone reading the data will be
- seduced in to adding, improving and correcting the readability of
- the data. (Hint: off line reader/responder/auto-up loader)
-
- The data in each record (file or BBS message) shall concentrate
- on all aspects of a single forth word. Common fields are those
- items of information normally found on a 3 x 5 file card in a
- card catalogue. Additional information will be requested via a
- template. I want to collect stories of historical interest as
- well as reviews, user testimonials and comments as to usefulness
- and clarity of the word along with examples of practical use.
-
- The vision:
-
- A BBS answers via a front door and presents a menu of several
- programs. By picking one of the Forth based BBSes the caller
- will execute a program uploaded by one of the volunteer
- supporters. If there is a problem with the volunteer supported
- program the caller will be asked to leave comments and
- suggestions or bug reports.
-
- An activity log will be maintained for all to access that will
- enable one to see who else is interested in each particular
- version of experimental BBS. This enables the volunteer author
- to call his users and ask for more information.
-
- PAYBACK:
- In the future we can offer support for developers. We might
- provide accounting services and offer royalties to authors and
- programmers who want to follow the share ware model. Income
- might accrue if we were to track the use of words in an
- application in the same way song writers are rewarded by tracking
- each play over the air. At the least, those who created the
- early versions of Forth, might like to know their words are still
- in use, whether or not they have need for monetary support.
-
- ----------------------------------------
-
- Here are examples of programs I want to promote. I hope each one
- will either be coded in Forth or have Forth information as it's
- principal data content.
-
-
- EXAMPLE CATEGORIES:
-
- Interactive Forth Language databases.
- Live Forth Language application programs.
- A "Card Catalogue" of Forth Words and sources.
- See also pointers to Educational programs.
- Quick start articles. (Usenet, Genie use etc)
- Reports on the state of the art.
- Committee reports.
- Chapter Meeting announcements.
- Historical documents
- Interviews with successful Forth programmers.
- Hyper text Indexes of Forth articles.
- Reviews and test results of commercial and PD Forths.
- Tutorial course materials.
- Minutes of chapter meetings.
- Help wanted programmer.
- Work wanted programmer.
- Frequently asked Question files.
- Best of Genie reprints.
- Unpublished articles for proof reader comments.
- Questionnaires.
-
-
-
- As the system will provide callers and users with the ability to
- modify and improve the online system that they are interacting
- with, after a few years of iteration, the ultimate result may be
- an Electronic Mail System that is more useful, friendly,
- intuitive and generally more popular and highly rated than any
- other E-Mail system. Won't that be nice for recognition of
- Forth!
-
- REPORT:
- We are using our single line system to test the concept. Later a
- multi line system will eliminate busy signals in exchange for a
- slightly slower response time in peak periods.
-
- The caller will be able to down load the forth source and make
- modifications at his leisure. When improved source is uploaded
- it will be available for audit by the remote system
- administrators. It can then be setup on a new menu entry.
- Callers can try it out and leave comments for the authors. In
- the same way the source to the newer version can be down loaded
- for further study and improvement. By using the LRU (least
- recently used) formula, the most used and more popular programs
- will remain highest on the menu the longest.
-
- Currently I know of no Electronic Mail system that provides
- source to the caller for modification. Normally if you wish to
- modify a system, you are stuck with making a suggestion for
- addition to the list that the system operator keeps.
-
-
- The start of the above system is now on line at Programmable BBS
- (415) 892-1543 24 hours and 7 days. This article is by John
- Peters 415-239-5393 voice. Don't just sit there, call it, or
- phone me and shoot the bull and make some suggestions.
-
- P.S. Presently 5-23-93 the bbs is on line as a free ware version
- of WildCat without the .QWK abilities (off line mail reading).
- There are about 50 messages now, but it is a start. Levi Allen is
- our system administrator as well as our sponsor for the hardware.
- The Berkeley Forth Interest Group paid for the installation of the
- phone line. So far Levi has not asked the group to pay the
- monthly phone or electricity bill am told.
-
- There is room for your input, files and messages and it is
- currently bullet proof. If you want to you can call Levi on his
- voice line to arrange for a password that will give approved
- volunteers the ability to drop to DOS remotely. This option is
- offered so you can help with improvements by moving files and
- making better directories, improve the bulletins etc.
-
-
- LAST MINUTE REPORT 1:15 on Sunday 5-23-93
-
- FIG member Martin Shaaf has reported he mailed disks to me
- yesterday that include FRONT DOOR and EASY.COM. I have confirmed
- that this set of programs will provide us with a Net mail echo, a
- BBS with doors to our Forth BBSes and QWK off line mail reading.
- I confirmed the QWK mail part with a SysOp named Tim who says he
- doesn't spend much if any time maintaining the BBS but he does
- spend lots of tine playing with it. The system is shareware and
- registers for $50.00 but QWK mail is built in and ready to go even
- before registration.
-
- JP
- Jpeters@wet.com
-
-
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